Re: Attention, parents of CMU students!

"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaralovesMarty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Magi D. Shepley" <magid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > > "Magi D. Shepley" <magid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> > >
> > >>Nick,
> > >>The public library is open and available to all people.  You don't
need
> > >>any money, there is no age limit (beyond the 5 years or having the
> > >>ability to write your name that most libraries impose prior to
checking
> > >>out books).  I guarentee that I can go to the library that is 2
blocks
> > >>from my apartment and find things promoting criminal behavior in the
> > >>children's section and the young adult's section.
> > >
> > >
> > > Which means that your librarians should be investigated, Magi,
because
> > > such books should not be in the children's section. Children should
> > > read books to build character not to become terrorists and
criminals.
> >
> > No, it means that there are published children's books that are about
> > war, violence and other "criminal" activities.  Even Shakespeare
> > promotes criminal activity if you want to use it that way.  So does
the
> > Bible.  Free speech is just that: I'll defend your right to say what
you
> > want, and you have no right to stop me from saying what I want.
>
> I never posted that you should believe in any of those works. The best
> is if you listen to your own conscience, but don't knock it out by
> listening to above the law crowds.
>
>
> > want, and you have no right to stop me from saying what I want.
>
> If it is violence, promotes or inspires violence, or if it is
> completely false, then you can't say it.

Babs, listen, you just made a claim here. NOW, prove it. Go ahead and show
where it sayd that lying is prohibited. If it were, then the Kriminal Kult
of $cientology would be out of business.


> > >>I can *probably* even find the instructions on how to make a bomb in
the
> > >>children's non-fiction section...  I won't guarantee that, however,
> > >>because it may not be labeled in that fa****on.
> > >>Freedom of Speech means that I have the right to disagree with you,
and
> > >>I can fight to have your speech stopped: but I have no right to
actually
> > >>STOP it.
> > >>
> > >>Magi
> > >
> > >
> > > Freedom of Speech has it's limitations, Magi. Check your law library
> > > hereto. Teaching others on to blow people up is such a limitation.
> >
> > Sorry, Barbara, you're wrong.  The limits on freedom of speech are
> > pretty clear:  Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre is a limit;
libelous
> > posting is such a limit.  Your statement isn't a limit on the Freedom
of
> > Speech.  http://www.wired.com/wired/4.03/no.law.html
>
> Did you read that article? Prof. Turner said crystal clear that there
> are limitations to free speech.

The government would be hard pressed to limit speech. You can, and trhe
Kriminal Kult of $cientology, through fascist tactics sure does try.

> > > hope you are no fan of Pat Robertson, the Christian Coalition
founder.
> > > This alleged religious man said a few days ago, during a recent Club
> > > 700 episode, that it would not be a bad idea to plant a nuclear
device
> > > underneath the U.S. State Department. That man is crazy, he is
openly
> > > advocating terrorism, and he is abusing the First Amendment, free
> > > speech for his evil intentions and hatred. If he has problems with
the
> > > State Department, why is he not filing a penal complaint against
them
> > > or why is he not suing them?
> >
> > Let me go on record here: Pat Robertson is a venal, evil racist.  But
he
> > has the RIGHT to make those statements.  He has that freedom of
speech.
> >   You do not have the right to stop them.
>
> He is evil, and he had no right to preach violence. People have to
> resolve their disagreements in civilized ways not through promoting
> explosions and killings.

He has a right to say what he wants, in the context he said it. It was
political speech. (It was also stupid.)