Re: Attention, parents of CMU students!

"Magi D. Shepley" <magid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > "Magi D. Shepley" <magid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>Nick,
> >>The public library is open and available to all people.  You don't
need 
> >>any money, there is no age limit (beyond the 5 years or having the 
> >>ability to write your name that most libraries impose prior to
checking 
> >>out books).  I guarentee that I can go to the library that is 2 blocks

> >>from my apartment and find things promoting criminal behavior in the 
> >>children's section and the young adult's section.
> > 
> > 
> > Which means that your librarians should be investigated, Magi, because
> > such books should not be in the children's section. Children should
> > read books to build character not to become terrorists and criminals.
> 
> No, it means that there are published children's books that are about 
> war, violence and other "criminal" activities.  Even Shakespeare 
> promotes criminal activity if you want to use it that way.  So does the 
> Bible.  Free speech is just that: I'll defend your right to say what you

> want, and you have no right to stop me from saying what I want.

I never posted that you should believe in any of those works. The best
is if you listen to your own conscience, but don't knock it out by
listening to above the law crowds.


> want, and you have no right to stop me from saying what I want.

If it is violence, promotes or inspires violence, or if it is
completely false, then you can't say it.



>
> > 
> > 
> >>I can *probably* even find the instructions on how to make a bomb in
the 
> >>children's non-fiction section...  I won't guarantee that, however, 
> >>because it may not be labeled in that fa****on.
> >>Freedom of Speech means that I have the right to disagree with you,
and 
> >>I can fight to have your speech stopped: but I have no right to
actually 
> >>STOP it.
> >>
> >>Magi
> > 
> > 
> > Freedom of Speech has it's limitations, Magi. Check your law library
> > hereto. Teaching others on to blow people up is such a limitation.
> 
> Sorry, Barbara, you're wrong.  The limits on freedom of speech are 
> pretty clear:  Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre is a limit; libelous 
> posting is such a limit.  Your statement isn't a limit on the Freedom of

> Speech.  http://www.wired.com/wired/4.03/no.law.html

Did you read that article? Prof. Turner said crystal clear that there
are limitations to free speech.

> 
> > hope you are no fan of Pat Robertson, the Christian Coalition founder.
> > This alleged religious man said a few days ago, during a recent Club
> > 700 episode, that it would not be a bad idea to plant a nuclear device
> > underneath the U.S. State Department. That man is crazy, he is openly
> > advocating terrorism, and he is abusing the First Amendment, free
> > speech for his evil intentions and hatred. If he has problems with the
> > State Department, why is he not filing a penal complaint against them
> > or why is he not suing them?
> 
> Let me go on record here: Pat Robertson is a venal, evil racist.  But he

> has the RIGHT to make those statements.  He has that freedom of speech. 
>   You do not have the right to stop them.

He is evil, and he had no right to preach violence. People have to
resolve their disagreements in civilized ways not through promoting
explosions and killings.

Barbara Schwarz
> 
> Magi